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posted by: magicjoejoe (reply) post date: 02.02.04 (7:29 pm) Hey dragonbait. I personally think all those religious wars were crap too. I think this stampede thing was more of a crowd control issue. If you've ever seen the images of the Haj, it's something else. There is nothing else in the world like it. Imagine the biggest crowd ever, and then add another crowd on top of that on top of that, etc. It's unsafe and dangerous to say the least, and tragically things like this happen. What's surprising is that things like this don't happen more often. It also reminds of being up front at concerts when everybody pushes and you get crushed against the stage. It does highlight how impatient people get and poorly they can behave. posted by: therealspartacus007 (reply) post date: 02.02.04 (8:20 pm) If you die at the Mecca pilgrammage, you go straight to heaven. That's not much incentive for people to be safe. posted by: jimmytherighteous (reply) post date: 02.02.04 (9:02 pm) According to the news report I saw about it, one of the Saudi officials in charge of crowd control blamed the stampede on poor preparation of pilgrims by their host countries. Whether or not it's true, I have no idea, but he said that most countries do not prepare their pilgrims with adequate information regarding the processes and regulations of the events at Mecca. He also said that many of the pilgrims are illiterate and thus cannot read the signs posted to direct and control the movement of the pilgrims. Furthermore, like therealsparticus said, he mentioned that dying during the Hajj is considered to be a very glorious death, so maybe safety does fly out the window. Regardless, it's an interesting event. Seeing two million people in one place is remarkable in any event. I got to witness the festival of el-Eid in Morocco a few years ago. Lots of burning sheep's heads. Needless to say, I won't forget that! posted by: Nivek (reply) post date: 02.02.04 (9:49 pm) I like the title! What's deadly is someone devoting their entire life to a god and never enjoying what living actually is. Religion needs one to be mindless and controlled by its doctrine. A controlled mind is only usefull to the controller. Maybe they enjoy church, or a warm "feeling" when they pray, but if what "saves" them is a belief in the unknowing and the promise of a place never seen, it's not only irrational but unhealthy psychologically. They go to worship their god and they die! There's no sense to it... posted by: JamesYerian (reply) post date: 02.02.04 (9:58 pm) Oh yeah. I suppose the 100 million killed from communism in the 20th century means nothing? Are you aware that human secularism kills far more than religion? Or do you not care? posted by: jimmytherighteous (reply) post date: 02.02.04 (10:08 pm) Reply to: JamesYerian James, go away. If you can't keep your cool and participate like an adult, then your comments aren't welcome. Did anyone personally attack you in this conversation? No. Your hostility is way out of line. I see you just can't change your ways, can you? posted by: jimmytherighteous (reply) post date: 02.02.04 (10:10 pm) Reply to: jimmytherighteous Furthermore, this was about one particular event and how religion - ALL religions - have contributed to lots of death. Like you frequently crow, you didn't address the issue. I notice you didn't mention the millions killed by right-wing Facists in Europe or South America. posted by: DragonBait22 (reply) post date: 02.02.04 (10:25 pm) Reply to: JamesYerian I like your style of 'arguing' with something- turn it around to make the same argument against whatever it is you think I stand for. It would be more fruitful if you argued against the point I made by explaining how it is you think I'm wrong; otherwise you're just agreeing that my point is right, but what you assume I support is also bad. This is similar to your comment on my challenge to argue God's existence, which, not surprisingly, you backed away from. Anyway, the effects of communism are not representative of all atheism. Any cause that encourages the use of force, especially violent force, is wrong, in my opinion. I wasn't aware that Secular Humanism (I assume that's what you meant) has killed far more than religion, and I find that hard to believe. Can you show me some evidence? Besides, I'm not a Secular Humanist anyway, so I don't really know what the point of that was anyway. As Righteous said, this was about how those who are misguided by their religions have resulted in lots of deaths. And as Nivek said, basing your life on the beliefs of religion is dangerous, not only physically, but in that you lose a great deal in terms of actually living your life. posted by: Nivek (reply) post date: 02.03.04 (10:24 am) Reply to: JamesYerian Marx, Lenin, ans Stalin made Communism the peoples god. The first thing was to destroy the places of worship, then, you either worship the "state" or you died. So, it was a god of different means. posted by: magicjoejoe (reply) post date: 02.03.04 (7:59 pm) Hey do you know that the flu killed about 20 million people in a couple of years just following WWI. Almost half were in the US. That was just 2 years. And that was just the same flu that you try not to get every year. posted by: DragonBait22 (reply) post date: 02.04.04 (8:52 pm) Reply to: magicjoejoe So did God create the flu epidemic to punish humans for war? posted by: Asatru Viking (reply) post date: 02.05.04 (4:28 am) alot of bad things have happend through people who belive in god,since god was created 2 thousand years ago. before that people just fought over land and home not over religion. christianity has turned alot of things around and there is too many things they have done to harm the world that i could not write in one blog. But i just pretend there is no christians and those that are fanatic preachers are just sleep walkers in my opinion and everyone else has theirs . anyway why is he called god ? when there are hundreds of different ones hrm thats just a whole differnt blog. |
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