Who needs the fourth amendment anyway?

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Who needs the fourth amendment anyway? 12.02.03 (7:37 pm)   [edit] The Supreme Court has ruled that police only have to wait between [url=http://story.news.yahoo.com/n...]15 and 20 seconds[/url] before breaking into the home of a suspected drug dealer. First off, I'm all for the legalization, or at least decriminalization, of drugs. Thus, I don't think that a suspected drug dealer is a serious enough threat to society that the police must break into their home, after any amount of time. Secondly, though the Court's decision states that the officers don't have to wait longer than 20 seconds, what does that really mean? An officer coulde easily knock, announce himself, then enter using force and be justified in doing so. I don't think that's really fair. The justification for this, according to the Supreme Court, is that a drug dealer can flush the drugs in the time the officers must wait, if they wait longer than 15-20 seconds. Well, so what? They lose the drugs. They will possibly be deterred from the police investigation as it is and cease dealing drugs. And if not, there will surely be more opportunities to catch the drug dealer. Perhaps it would be more fair if the officers were allowed to enter after only 15-20 seconds in a second attempt, but not the first. But, like I said, I don't think drugs are harmful to anyone other than the person who abuses them. Therefore, there should be no criminal penalities for drug use or selling drugs.   posted by: WinstonSmith (reply) post date: 12.02.03 (4:59 pm) Agreed ... well said :) posted by: SamAdams (reply) post date: 12.02.03 (5:30 pm) Too many people in jail for smoking a marijuana cig, instead of putting creeps like Bush's buddy, & criminal-in-arms, Kenny-boy (Enron) Lay who swindled hundreds of millions-- destroyed thousands of jobs, raped pensions plans, and, looted investors-- that THUG isn't even being investigated by the hypocritical loon Ashcroft. posted by: therealspartacus007 (reply) post date: 12.02.03 (8:20 pm) The reason the US has the highest incarceration rate of all first-world countries is the ridiculous marijuana laws. posted by: Kai (reply) post date: 12.02.03 (9:17 pm) here here drugs can be harmful to others howerver, at least incredibly addictive ones. posted by: DragonBait22 (reply) post date: 12.02.03 (9:25 pm) Reply to: Kai How? posted by: Kai (reply) post date: 12.03.03 (3:02 am) Reply to: DragonBait22 have you ever met a crack-head? Ever known one for more than a few seconds on the passing street? posted by: Kai (reply) post date: 12.03.03 (3:03 am) I smoke every damned day and it should and will be legal eventually. But crack is bad mmmkay lol posted by: Kai (reply) post date: 12.03.03 (3:05 am) I also think any jail time for any drug offence is stupid as hell. If theres a problem, and get caught, one shouldn't be subjected to rapists and murderers because they put something into their body. Alcohol is legal but pot and shrooms aren't, go figure. posted by: DragonBait22 (reply) post date: 12.03.03 (8:54 am) Reply to: Kai No, I haven't, at least not to my recollection. So how exactly is it harmful to others? posted by: DragonBait22 (reply) post date: 12.03.03 (9:05 am) I would like to point out, just for the record, and just in case some government agent is reading this, I do not do drugs. In fact, I'm rather against drug use. I think they are generally bad, BUT if someone else feels differently and enjoys using drugs, they should have the right to do so. I think drugs are harmful, I wouldn't challenge that, but as long as they are only harmful to the person doing the drugs, that should be their decision, not mine and not the government's. Also, I think the FDA is important in that the regulation of foods, deciding what is dangerous to our health, is a good thing. But drugs are different. As long as there is education and people can be informed on the effects of drug use, the individual should be allowed to make up their own mind about whether they'd like to put that into their body or not. Let's see, anything else I haven't covered while on the topic of drugs? :) posted by: Kai (reply) post date: 12.03.03 (5:59 pm) All they do is steal and lie and cheat their way into getting even just a few dollars for the next crack rock. People addicted to crack are basically slaves to it. I've had to move out several different apartments complexes just to get away from them. You wouldn't believe the things they'll do to get into your house, for the chance to steal, beg to borrow stuff (which never gets returned cuz its sold) This one girl stole a coffee cup of mine once just to sell it for .50 cents. I prolly bought the damn thing at Target or something, also meth is nearly as bad. However, I've known herion addicts (two of them, versus the three or so crack-heads I've tolerated long enough to "know" them.) and they were nothing NEAR crack-heads. Those are the only three drugs bad enough to actually cause other people real pain...unless some stupid kid takes too much X or whatever one night and dies. I'm sure most people have someone to miss them. Anyways, I have found in my opinion is best to know that anytime anyone says "drugs are _____" the only word that actually fits into it and is completely honestly 100% true is "varied" Cuz when you get past the main 3 which really do fuck people up and can hurt others besides the users...nothing remains the same, and you end up wondering whether to consider coffee a drug too. (cuz coffee makes some people more high than cocaine) posted by: Kai (reply) post date: 12.03.03 (6:19 pm) I did not realize how long that rambling was. posted by: Kai (reply) post date: 12.03.03 (6:21 pm) Reply to: DragonBait2: "As long as there is education and people can be informed on the effects of drug use, the individual should be allowed to make up their own mind about whether they'd like to put that into their body or not." -- that's the entire argument in a nutshell. posted by: Kai (reply) post date: 12.03.03 (6:23 pm) Hopefully someday the govt will figure it out! peace, Kai posted by: DragonBait22 (reply) post date: 12.03.03 (6:42 pm) Reply to: Kai So, I think there's some sort of conspiracy against me posting anything today (partially self-inflicted). Earlier I had this really long entry and clicked on publish, but it didn't work and I lost the whole thing. Then just now I had a ridiculously long response to your comment and stupidly clicked on something else and lost that. Maybe I should take it as a hint not to post long-winded comments and posts. Nah. ;) Anyway, as I ramble on, you're right that the addictive nature of drugs can lead to harm inflicted on others. But I think that perhaps that is due not entirely to the drugs themselves, but to a natural inclination to lie, cheat, and steal by the individual. That's not to say that all drug users are of lower moral standards than non-drug users, but I don't know that all drug addicts react that way and I wouldn't think they would. But I really don't know, I'm just proposing a theory. I could also propose that if drugs were made more accessible, there would be fewer occurrences of drug addicts infringing on the rights of others in order to get drugs. Of course, the problem with this is that if it is easy to get drugs, more people will start doing drugs. I don't know how far education could realistically go in thwarting drug abuse, but it would be better than denying the rights of all individuals to make their own choices and decide for themselves what they put in their bodies. (If you refer to a post on my blog from a few days ago (Drugs), I mentioned something similar to the statement you made about coffee.) posted by: DragonBait22 (reply) post date: 12.03.03 (6:44 pm) Reply to: Kai Yeah, hopefully the government will figure it out, but I wouldn't count on it happening anytime soon. :) posted by: whoisjohngalt (reply) post date: 12.03.03 (7:23 pm) Reply to: DragonBait22 That happened to me once. Since then, on the longer entries, I copy it into the clipboard (and occasionally paste it into a Word doc on the really long ones) before hitting anything. :) posted by: DragonBait22 (reply) post date: 12.03.03 (8:15 pm) Reply to: whoisjohngalt Yeah, it's happened to me before and I've generally tried to make sure I copy my entries as soon as I'm done, but of course I forgot. Lesson un-learned, maybe re-learned now. :) posted by: Kai (reply) post date: 12.04.03 (8:33 pm) arggh don't you hate it when that happens...losing the posts I mean. Anyways on "but to a natural inclination to lie, cheat, and steal by the individual" I would have to agree with you there too. ;) posted by: DragonBait22 (reply) post date: 12.04.03 (8:44 pm) Reply to: Kai Yeah, losing the post definitely wasn't cool. Now you guys will never get to read my views on the historical trends of religion in the US lol. And thanks, I love it when people agree with me. Actually, I love it when people disagree with me too. Does that make me an agreeable person? posted by: Kai (reply) post date: 12.04.03 (9:42 pm) sure, and that is, agreeably(sp?) good. :) Your Name: Your Comment:

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