| The politics of September 11 |
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posted by: therealspartacus007 (reply) post date: 09.10.04 (5:26 pm) Exactly. Great blog. Even when Bush talks about Iraq or the economy he seems to find some way to mention 9/11. posted by: kurtmaddox (reply) post date: 09.13.04 (8:52 pm) as usual, you are very cogent, persuasive, and thoughtful with your comments on important issues. although you and i don't completely agree on this subject and don't interpret some actions of our leaders the same way, i respect your position as reasoned and thoughtful and well within the range that equally patriotic american's can agree to disagree. i do, however, take one exception to your comments. you infer that strong reactions to terrorism "breed more terrorism". i would repsectfully suggest that whatever your opinion on the current administrations policies, it is a serious factual error to infer that terrorism is in anyway related to the type of logic you are applying. islamic terrorists strike anything and everything that they see as an obstacle to their own narrow brand of theocracy and rule by fundamentalist interpretations of islamic law that a majority of muslims do not support. osama bin laden's philosophy of using terrorism as his main strategic tool to further his fantasy of global islamic theocracy (which he believes is pre-destined by Allah). What we do or don't do based on OUR values has little impact on the ultimate agenda of this minority sect of islamic extremist. i'm not a bush fan or kerry hater! i just feel its important for everyone on all sides to more accurately consider the agenda of the enemies of freedom and democracy. we may choose NOT to fight them but it is not a "choice" to consider them an enemy. tyranny is always an enemy to freedom regardless of the political winds of the day. thanks for stating your case and allowing me to consider your thoughtful comments! posted by: RedTigress (reply) post date: 09.14.04 (12:16 pm) But if we are not to fight terrorism, are we to do nothing and wait to be hit again? I think what we did in Afghanistan was good. Getting sidetracked before we were finished with them wasn't, but we needed to go in there and do what was necissary. My qualm is that Osama (yo mama, osama!) is still out there.\ When the SS. Cole was bombed, it was Al Qaida that did it. We really didn't do anything in it's aftermath. Then they did something worse on 9-11 because we didn't get the message. I guess my question is, you (dragonbait22) are in charge of the united states on the day of 9-11. What is your response to that and the terrorism? There is a time for inaction and there is a time for action. posted by: DragonBait22 (reply) post date: 09.14.04 (1:16 pm) Reply to: kurtmaddox You are right that our actions have little to do with influencing those of the terrorists. Terrorist groups such as al Qaeda have a strong structural system that has at its heart an educational (brainwashing) foundation. Terrorists are taught fundamental beliefs and are trained to maintain a great deal of resolve. That is why they do the things they do. However, what your point neglected was the influence America's actions can have on individuals or nations that may be sympathetic to Islamic radicals and/or terrorist groups. My point was that the Arab world would be more likely to unite behind bin Laden in an effort to defeat the US if we used such massive violence in Afghanistan. Our attacks did not seem as though they were aimed solely at al Qaeda, but, to many in the Muslim world, they were viewed as war against Islam. Turning this into a holy war would surely encourage terrorist action, because many would view bin Laden as the leader against the US. This is how our actions do influence terrorist action- not by changing the way they do things, that is already set, but by encouraging support of their actions among others in the Middle East. posted by: DragonBait22 (reply) post date: 09.14.04 (1:24 pm) Reply to: RedTigress I'm not saying we shouldn't fight terrorism, I just take issue with the way this President has waged war on terrorism. Had I been in charge on 9/11, I would have gone after bin Laden. But not in the way Dubya did. Random attacks by our military in Afghanistan were no way to defeat terrorism. And, as you can see, they were not even successful in capturing bin Laden. I believe the President's actions were hastily contrived and that developing a systematic plan to ensure the capture of bin Laden as well as other members of al Qaeda would have been the best course of action. The President felt pressed to ease the minds of Americans by taking immediate action. I too would have taken immediate action, but not by military force alone. The issue of terrorism is obviously a complicated one. The motives of the terrorists must be looked at and the consequences of our actions in our dealing with the issue must be considered. As I stated previously, indescriminate violence in the Arab world only encourages support for terrorism and strengthens the resolve of terrorists. And yes, action definitely should have been taken long ago- before 9/11 and before the USS Cole attack. Again, this action, if I was in charge, would have involved systematic planning and developing the means necessary to actually get to Osama. Sometimes strategy is more important than force. posted by: RedTigress (reply) post date: 09.14.04 (1:56 pm) Reply to: DragonBait22 Ah, that's more clear. Thank you. Forgive me if you already answered this and I'm still confused, but this puzzles me: "I too would have taken immediate action, but not by military force alone." What would be the alternative besides proper/appropriate strategic military force? posted by: kurtmaddox (reply) post date: 09.15.04 (5:30 pm) your points are very well-taken! this frustrating and critical subject will occupy the thinking of all thoughtful and freedom loving people for the forseeable future. |
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