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The rebirth or the dying out of religion?
02.27.04 (9:34 pm)   [edit]
First of all, I must make it known how much I love Jerry Falwell. Any time I have ever heard him speak, I have become angered, outraged, bewildered, shocked, or any combination of similar emotions. For any one individual to be capable of eliciting such a response from me consistently is truly impressive. Jerry Falwell appeared on Hannity & Colmes tonight and spoke mostly about Mel Gibson's movie. Towards the end of the segment with Falwell, he said that two great things occurred this week: the release of The Passion and President Bush's backing of a proposed constitutional amendment banning gay marriage (or, as Falwell said, protecting what we all know to be between a man and a woman).

Everyone is in agreement that we are facing renewed interest in our culture and what we want our culture to be. Why is this? Is it because, as Falwell and others would have us believe, we are experiencing a rebirth of faith, or is it because we are moving further away from religion? If we examine the issues that dominate America's culture war (gay marriage, abortion, religion and schools/government), it is apparent that the basic discrepancies in values lie in varying ideas in regard to religion. The argument could be made that the reason the culture wars have come to the forefront of our attention is because of a renewed interest in and reverence for religion, Christianity in particular. The argument could also be made that the culture wars have been rekindled because of a feeble attempt at reinstating religion's dominance in our culture. Are we on the brink of another Great Awakening and spiritual rebirth, or are we witnessing the end days of Christianity?

Considering the amount of coverage The Passion has generated, I don't think Christianity's days are numbered. There is a certain arrogance that is seen in the manner in which Christian values are defended. In our culture wars, any view other than the strict Christian view is regarded as immoral and degrading to our society. The concept of other religions' views or secular views is either neglected or attacked by many in dealing with cultural values. Whether we are facing a rebirth of religion or a spiritual Armageddon is uncertain, but it is evident that religion has been brought to the mainstream of our civil concerns.
 


posted by: mblog (reply)
post date: 02.27.04 (6:55 pm)

I really love your "Ads by Google." You have "What is Scientology?" "Eastern Religion" and "Christian Message Board."

The Scientology link is not from somebody who is about to give you a balanced perspective, though.

Where was I? Oh, yes. Falwell. He's the one who said that Jews and Catholics are all going to hell, but he's going to heaven and he hopes to see Adolph Hitler there.




posted by: UsefulIdiot (reply)
post date: 02.27.04 (8:18 pm)

We are moving backwards in time towards superstition and feudalism.

Apparently Americans don't believe in science or civil law or ethics or studing the structure of governmental institutions. It is a rather barbaric brutish form of savagery to think that superstitious belief will solve our problems instead of human intellect.

America is dying. The Founding Fathers would hang their heads in shame



posted by: DragonBait22 (reply)
post date: 02.28.04 (1:55 pm)

Reply to: mblog
Haha, I know, I really get a kick out of what google seems to think my blog's focus is. My favorite ad I've had so far was about a week ago for a test to see how well you know God. The test itself was rather silly, and at the conclusion, when it told me that I need to find God, it directed me to suicide hotlines and such, implying that because I don't believe in God I must be suicidal. I got a good laugh out of it.

Falwell truly scares me and I feel ashamed to live in the same state as he does. It bothers me that I even live in the same country as him, actually.



posted by: DragonBait22 (reply)
post date: 02.28.04 (1:58 pm)

Reply to: UsefulIdiot
I'm not quite that pessimistic about it, I just think our priorities are a bit skewed and actions misguided.



posted by: DragonBait22 (reply)
post date: 02.28.04 (3:11 pm)

Reply to: autumnsnow
Haha, thank you. :)




posted by: progressive (reply)
post date: 02.29.04 (10:07 am)

All of the contemporary events have led me to believe that we are currently at the crossroads of either entering the Forth Great Awakening in American consciousness or the demise of American liberalism as we know it.



posted by: RedTigress (reply)
post date: 02.29.04 (5:31 pm)

On the flip side, if you identify yourself as a religious person, in many circles, you're deemed outragiously stupid and illogical.

::shrugs::



posted by: RedTigress (reply)
post date: 02.29.04 (5:31 pm)

Reply to: autumnsnow

you should take a look at my posts in the religion section then. :)



posted by: newbie (reply)
post date: 03.01.04 (9:22 am)

I think it's great that you talk about Christian arrogance, but all you do is focus on Christianity through your arrogance.

"For any one individual to be capable of eliciting such a response from me consistently is truly impressive."

Your blogs seem to be obsessed with bashing Christianity, and you often get it wrong.

"There is a certain arrogance that is seen in the manner in which Christian values are defended. In our culture wars, any view other than the strict Christian view is regarded as immoral and degrading to our society"

I don't know what culture you're living in, but it is hardly Christian. Mainstream America culture is totally unrecognizable from Christianity.

I would love to read blogs by you condeming real religious zealotry-- like on behalf of certain atheists and certain Muslims.

It is a small miracle that Gibson's film found a distributor. No one wanted to release it. And it has met a robust opposition by our culture critics. It seems that it is the Christian view that is routinely attacked and regarded as degrading to our society.







posted by: RedTigress (reply)
post date: 03.01.04 (10:16 am)

Reply to: autumnsnow
:) glad to know you enjoy it! I'm glad to help in any way! :)



posted by: DragonBait22 (reply)
post date: 03.01.04 (11:44 am)

Reply to: newbie
I call Christianity arrogant because I see so many speaking on issues that affect our entire society only in terms of Christianity, as though no other views are present or valid. I focus on Christianity because I am inundated with Christian opinions on a daily basis. Any view that holds all others in contempt is arrogant. I do not disdain Christianity as a whole, just the unloving and incompassionate practices.

You say I often "get it wrong" when dealing with Christianity. So why not set me straight? How do I get things wrong? You can accuse me of being arrogant or wrong on the topic all you want, but that's not helpful to your cause or the discussion in any way. Explain your view- here's your opportunity to counteract my arguments.

I wrote this after watching a segment on Fox News addressing the issue of gay marriage. The major controversy is between those who hold marriage to be a religious institution and do not want to see that institution challenged and those who see marriage as separate from religion. America's culture wars are in large part based on religious differences.

I would love to read blogs by you condeming real religious zealotry-- like on behalf of certain atheists and certain Muslims.

Again, care to elaborate? What "certain atheists" are you talking about? I can't recall any acts of terrorism or violence caused by atheists, unless you're referring to your beloved Communism refrain- that atheism is the reason Communism is evil. Yes, extremists of any religion, of any movement, of any group can be dangerous. As stated before, I focus on Christianity because I see more Christian exploits. So if you want to criticize me for not detailing what you call real religious zealotry (by the way, how can you consider atheists religious zealots when atheism is not a religion?), that's fine, but rather unproductive. Why not use the comments feature to get your side of the story out rather than simply criticizing me?



posted by: DragonBait22 (reply)
post date: 03.01.04 (11:46 am)

Reply to: progressive
Hmm, what do you mean by the demise of American liberalism?



posted by: DragonBait22 (reply)
post date: 03.01.04 (11:50 am)

Reply to: RedTigress
That's a good point, Red. There are many who consider religion to be illogical and those who claim religious beliefs are considered stupid. For the record, I find religion to be illogical, but do see that many who have religious beliefs do so through logical thought. The extremists on either side tend to view the others as completely wrong, with no room for error on their part. And that is the problem.



posted by: progressive (reply)
post date: 03.01.04 (7:19 pm)

Reply to: DragonBait22
the merging of church and state is certain to lead to the end of the great experiment of democracy. For America to become a theocracy is to also lead to the demise of liberalism as we know it.



posted by: progressive (reply)
post date: 03.01.04 (7:23 pm)

Reply to: DragonBait22
erm ... if you look at the circumstances surrounding the 1st, 2nd and 3rd (the 3rd is rather iffy) Great Awakening in early American history, you'd get what i mean =)

Oh i forgot to kowtow to you today for this splendid blog .... here you go



posted by: progressive (reply)
post date: 03.01.04 (7:24 pm)





posted by: DragonBait22 (reply)
post date: 03.01.04 (8:11 pm)

Reply to: progressive
Alright, I understand what you meant now. Thanks. :)

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